EMDR Remedy and Psychological Well being Assist with Susie Morgan, LMFT, BCETS

Betty Rocker (00:15):

What’s up, Rockstars Coach Betty Rocker right here, and I’m actually glad you might be right here too. In some unspecified time in the future, you will have heard me speak about a kind of remedy that I used known as EMDR, which stands for Eye Motion Desensitization and Reprocessing. And it’s actually recognized for its means to deal with PTSD and traumatic occasions. There’s lots of completely different sorts of therapeutic practices on the market, and in terms of our psychological well being, it’s actually essential to discover a good match and the proper instruments for addressing our particular person issues so we are able to stay extra full and significant lives. After going by a extremely troublesome interval of my very own life and being identified with anxiousness and despair, one of many suggestions I used to be given was to hunt EMDR therapy.

(01:02)
I’ll share a bit extra about my expertise with it on the present at this time as a result of the individual I’ve introduced to speak to us is the wonderful therapist I labored with, and I’m actually excited so that you can meet her. She actually helped me change my mind and my life. Susie Morgan is a licensed marriage and household therapist, board licensed skilled in trauma stress, and a licensed EMDR therapist specializing within the therapy of advanced PTSD and attachment trauma. Along with her apply, she’s additionally an E-M-D-R-I-A accepted marketing consultant and coach, and the founding father of the Precision EMDR Academy, a boutique coaching company that equips and mentors clinicians to supply protected and efficient EMDR remedy. She is devoted to offering each a excessive stage of care in her personal therapeutic apply and advancing the excellence within the subject of EMDR. I felt that she was uniquely outfitted to share extra about EMDR with us and provide you with a way of what it’s used for, who may profit from it, and what sort of issues it treats, and the way to discover and vet an excellent practitioner. So be part of me in welcoming her to the present. Welcome, Susie. It’s so nice to have you ever right here with me. Thanks a lot for being right here.

Susie Morgan (02:22):

Thanks for having me. That is completely my honor, so thanks.

Betty Rocker (02:26):

Oh my gosh. Properly, I’ve been so excited to have a dialog about EMDR so that individuals would study it, individuals who’ve perhaps heard about it could get extra aware of it, as a result of I really feel prefer it’s type of, it’s a more recent apply in terms of the therapeutic arts within the larger scheme of remedy. Is that appropriate?

Susie Morgan (02:51):

Sure and no, as a result of that’s a bit little bit of a false impression as a result of it’s actually been round since 1987. And so what meaning is that though it’s not as previous as clearly like Freudian remedy and people actually conventional fashions or cognitive behavioral, it, it isn’t new. And so it’s, it really has had loads of time to truly develop out an extremely strong, like encyclopedia of analysis, not solely exhibiting that it treats PTSD, but in addition a variety of different problems that individuals can current with. And so it’s really a false impression that it’s new, it’s simply newer that individuals learn about it and

Betty Rocker (03:34):

Newer that individuals learn about it. Properly, would perhaps, like I ought to ask the principle query, which is, what does EMDR stand for and what does it particularly deal with? As a result of I believe that’s actually attention-grabbing. It’s, it’s very distinctive within the therapeutic arts.

Susie Morgan (03:50):

Okay. So the, the inventor of EMDR would’ve renamed it. She stated if she had had an opportunity, however by the point it was extra well-known and being researched, she was like, okay, that is what it’s known as. So it stands for eye motion desensitization and reprocessing. And so let me break that down. So it makes use of eye motion. Historically, you should utilize different means to permit for the, the mind to principally replicate what occurs throughout REM sleep, we predict in an effort to really reconsolidate reminiscences. And so you should utilize different duties, different bilateral kinds of motion with, with tactile and even tones in an effort to create this impact. In order that’s the attention motion a part of it. It’s utilizing this particular bilateral, units of actions in an effort to stimulate the mind to enter right into a reminiscence reconsolidation mode. After which the desensitization and reprocessing are the 2 issues that it’s doing.

(04:53)
What it’s doing is it’s taking the activation of those reminiscences and desensitizing that. So taking, taking the cost out of it, taking that chew out of the reminiscence, after which it’s reprocessing it. So it’s really connecting it as much as adaptive info and adaptive info. Is that this actuality based mostly or soothing or, optimistic info that claims it’s over and actually undoes the educational and connects it as much as what really the mind already is aware of. However when a reminiscence is maladaptively saved, it doesn’t soak up the entire context of issues. It doesn’t soak up the truth that issues are over or that actually, though you realize it’s true, prefer it doesn’t really feel true. So it it, it connects all that up.

Betty Rocker (05:39):

What’s the eye motion a part of eye motion desensitization reprocessing? Is your eye simply going backwards and forwards otherwise you snapping your fingers? What’s occurring? Is there lights?

Susie Morgan (05:49):

So through the years, devices have been invented and since principally the hot button is you are attempting to have that consumer’s eyes trip throughout the sphere division as quickly as they’ll bodily tolerate whereas holding the reminiscence materials in thoughts. And so you possibly can have somebody, holding a, you realize, a set of buzzers of their palms that mild up and so they can look backwards and forwards between the lights. The buzzing can also be an alternate that permits there to be a tactile stage of stimulation for that backwards and forwards in order that, individuals who can’t use their eyes for this course of really can have an efficient type of bilateral stimulation. There are eye, like, like eye motion machines the place principally you possibly can, you possibly can observe a light-weight bar backwards and forwards, or there’s like these bins you possibly can maintain that can trigger your lights to return, trigger your eyes to trip as you observe the lights.

(06:49)
There are pc packages which have a bit bouncing ball that trip, however backside line is you don’t want machines. You simply want some mechanism for eyes to trip. So I do, I do EMDR on-line on a regular basis now with none equipment in any respect, with none particular packages. I simply have individuals pinching their fingers backwards and forwards with their eyes held a few shoulder width aside. They observe their very own pinches, and that produces the efficient eye motion. However principally what we’ve proven in analysis is that eye motion is the simplest technique to create the reminiscence reconsolidation course of that we’re on the lookout for. Nonetheless, these different strategies tactile and, an auditory can produce an identical stage, however there does appear to be greater than, extra at play than simply that your eyes are going backwards and forwards. There’s, there’s the likelihood that that’s, activating a rem like mechanism of sleep.

(07:48)
We see chemical, chemical, related chemical substances produced within the mind, related brainwaves. It additionally seems that work taxing working reminiscence is without doubt one of the explanation why it’s efficient. It’s not as comfy, it’s not as enjoyable to have to truly like, like do a elaborate patterning along with your fingers when you have the buzzing or matching your eye actions along with your pinches. However that really causes the troublesome reminiscence materials to metabolize quicker. However for those who overtax working reminiscence, you lower on that reprocessing portion. So it’s, there’s form of a candy spot, and it’s completely different for every individual on how a lot, how arduous we would like them to work whereas they’re doing the bilateral processing.

Betty Rocker (08:35):

What’s a, what’s a superb instance of a maladaptive reminiscence that somebody might need that was not connecting? Proper? Or what occurs in, in remedy?

Susie Morgan (08:46):

So an instance of a, a trauma reminiscence can be a canine chew. So a bit woman, she’s in her entrance yard, A canine comes by, bites her. There’s two methods the mind can go along with that. One we’d name maladaptive. One we’d name adaptive. And so it, it, and the distinction is how does the reminiscence find yourself being saved by the mind, which elements of the mind are concerned? And so if it’s maladaptively saved, it will get at, it will get saved in virtually like this unique kind. Like all the, the visible sight sounds feels of that second are identical to encapsulated in time. And so she might be 30 years previous and it feels prefer it occurred yesterday when she thinks of it. So it, it shops scorching within the visible cortex of the mind, the emotional cortex of the mind. And the attention-grabbing factor is the logical elements of the mind that claims it’s over, you’re protected now. That type of factor. The, that entire piece of the mind doesn’t even come on-line. So it’s all sight sounds, feels, and feelings, and it’s scorching and it’s saved that manner reasonably than it’s over, I’m protected. It occurred a very long time in the past. Now I do know that, you realize, it is best to, you realize, form of just be sure you don’t simply pet a canine. You don’t know , that form of factor,

Betty Rocker (10:10):

Proper? So, so the expertise that an individual would have who had these two completely different storages of the reminiscence is one little woman could be afraid of canine without end as a result of that reminiscence’s at all times burning vivid and burning scorching with all of that saved stuff the place the opposite little woman who’s,  it’s not saved in a detrimental manner. She simply is extra cautious in approaching canine the place the opposite woman could be afraid to method a canine in that sense. Yeah. So the, the trauma impacts how we behave in several methods shifting ahead is what you’re saying

Susie Morgan (10:40):

In that type of adaptive versus maladaptive piece. Adaptive is, I’m protected now on a really fundamental stage and I can hold myself protected now, or it’s, I’m not protected. And so the physique goes in a combat or flight, if something reminds the nervous system of that incident. And there’s really three kinds of trauma I consider that actually, actually matter. And so it’s very a lot increasing out the definition of the phrase in a, in a manner that I believe is essential as a result of there’s so many individuals who say, properly, I don’t have trauma. I wasn’t at conflict, I wasn’t assaulted, that form of factor. So, so EMDR remedy isn’t for me or considering of myself as having trauma that I would want to reprocess by that might be affecting my signs.  That simply doesn’t, that simply doesn’t come of their conceptualization

Betty Rocker (11:30):

Positive.

Susie Morgan (11:31):

Of what they’re coping with, and subsequently it stops them from getting assist they might get. So the three kinds of trauma that I believe are actually essential to know are that massive T trauma. In order that’s classically what we perceive as, yeah, blood hearth conflict assault, that’s what that’s conceptualized as. Then you’ve got, little t traumas or what are antagonistic life occasions. And these are issues that typically individuals, you realize, another person may have a look at that and be like, properly, that’s no massive deal. So that is like bullying. Or it’s issues like, you realize, somebody, somebody being a jerk at work or somebody calling you a reputation on the playground or your sister leaving you out, like that form of factor. So, so these are your little, little to your antagonistic life occasions. However really what’s much more crucial, I believe, is knowing advanced with advanced, developmental trauma, which is extra frequent than you may suppose, is when early attachment wants aren’t met.

(12:32)
And, or then if there’s additionally some abuse or issues like that in these early years that it, that’s actually really what can create the longest and most pervasive points with anxiousness, despair, all kinds of issues that we simply consider like, oh, these are psychological well being points, when really, if we return, we’re wanting on the absence of attunement and even the absence of play, which is attention-grabbing. The absence of safety. This, you realize, simply not having the steering you want, like the way to shave your legs, the way to cope with a, a bully peer. Like all of those completely different items actually make a distinction within the means of that individual’s nervous system to resist the stressors that can come. And so oftentimes when these type of developmental early attachment wants aren’t met, then you’ve got extra of a, of a susceptibility for the mind to maladaptively maintain these later occasions. So it’s, it’s actually tough.

Betty Rocker (13:38):

Properly, not, I believe you defined it fantastically in order that the three sorts, there’s the large Ts, there’s the, the little ts, that are, what did you name them? Opposed occasions. After which there’s additionally the attachment points. And, and attachment idea is completely fascinating. I keep in mind that you beneficial the e-book hooked up to me years in the past, and it was so useful in a, a, giving me a framework of understanding the distinction between the, anxious avoidant and the safe attachment types, that are these three attachment types. And simply saying them, it, it makes a lot sense why anxious and avoidant can be so polarized for those who guys take into consideration that. It’s so fascinating. After which how can we create safety, proper? And, and completely different features of our life. However, that was, that was actually attention-grabbing that that comes into play in, in what’s handled inside the scope of EMDR. We wanna speak a bit bit extra about that. ’trigger I believe that’s so attention-grabbing.

Susie Morgan (14:41):

Yeah, I’d like to as a result of it’s, it’s a lot what is available in to the workplace when individuals are saying, my relationships are simply not working mm-hmm . Or I hold stepping into the identical sort of type of damaging dynamic with my companions. Mm. And so, so what occurs when these early attachment wants aren’t met is a bit nervous system is so good and so smart to type of learn the room of the connection with their caregivers, and so they really can learn the room in a different way with completely different caregivers relying on what, what will likely be simplest for his or her must be met. And, and to contextualize this, little mammals can’t survive with out their caregivers attunement to them or their, not attunement, however with out them assembly their wants. Mainly. Like little mammals die if their caregiver form of leaves them by the facet of the street with out issues. And so people aren’t any completely different.

(15:40)
And so an toddler or a toddler or issues like that can notice if I cry extra, you come, if I cry much less, you don’t get so mad at me. That type of factor. Mm-hmm. And so what finally ends up occurring while you simply have a look at anxious versus avoidant anxious is, I cry extra, you’ll come mm-hmm. Avoidant is, I cry much less, I’m extra prone to get my wants met, I’m safer right here. After which you’ve got these very unhappy conditions the place the, the early atmosphere is so harsh and is so each neglectful of those attachment wants in addition to damaging by abuse or issues like that, that the nervous system will be taught. Like, okay, generally I cry louder, generally I shut down. Prefer it’s this entire like, like dance of simply to attempt to get wants met in no matter little tiny manner that they’ll. And the factor is, as soon as the mind locks in on this stuff, identical to trauma reminiscences, as soon as the mind locks in on these attachments methods or these variations to their en their early atmosphere ring retains doing the identical factor over and over and over, whether or not or not the atmosphere modifications.

(16:49)
And in the end the saddest half that I see in my, in my workplace is little nervous techniques as they develop up, select most naturally what seems like house. And they also’ll repeat what they, they went by after they have been small, considering they’re doing one thing completely different, however then touchdown in the identical sort of of relationship. After which, after which concluding, I’m the issue. It’s as a result of I’m nugatory, I’m unlovable, or regardless of the case could be. When in the end, like that’s not the case. It’s actually simply that their nervous system doesn’t know the way to do one thing completely different. In order that’s the actually cool stuff we are able to do with superior expertise with EMDR remedy isn’t just remedy these reminiscences. Like we don’t simply reprocess reminiscences. We really can really restore and restore the attachment system. So it’s, it’s fairly magic what’s potential and

Betty Rocker (17:44):

All of that, whether or not you might be treating trauma, reminiscence or attachment that’s gotten, it’s, I’m simply picturing like a rug that obtained all bunched up and Proper. It’s not, it’s not easy, whether or not you’re treating any of these various things, the, the first consequence is a way of safety, a way of security within the self, a way of self that’s mm-hmm . Secure and entire and, and sufficient, proper. For therefore many people who, who, you realize, search remedy. One factor that I’ve been studying loads these days, and it’s so unusual as a result of we have been gonna have this dialog and I wished to ask you about it. How do we all know that the remedy that we’re doing is true for us? That’s undoubtedly a query. And, and two, like, why is it that there’s a lot remedy that simply doesn’t appear to work, I suppose like, yeah, what’s occurring with that?

Susie Morgan (18:41):

So lots of the explanation why remedy doesn’t work is as a result of it doesn’t really change the way in which the nervous system is working. And so what you’re doing is you’re utilizing actually what, what might be actually highly effective instruments, but it surely’s extra like manually shifting a automotive reasonably than having driving an automated, principally the place you need to use these expertise in an effort to shift the mind into that adaptive functioning. So one of many issues that I believe is absolutely, actually essential for, for EMDR therapists to know the way to do, and it hasn’t been historically educated, however is to essentially be capable of map out what are the first trauma reminiscence networks, the methods the mind has clustered collectively numerous experiences, after which is working out of those maladaptive beliefs. So that you’ll have that canine chew, however then now mother is, you realize, mother is late choosing you up from daycare, and by some means the mind goes, yep, I’m not protected once more.

(19:44)
Otherwise you stroll by a barking canine, who’s actually scary on the way in which to soccer apply, and the mind goes, yep, not protected once more. After which it, it’s principally placing all these reminiscences collectively right into a cluster and saying, right here’s my proof of idea, I’m not protected. After which something that triggers that trauma, reminiscence community, lights up all of that cluster of experiences, after which the nervous system responds to that. So oftentimes a, a consumer who is available in has a number of clusters, in order that they have one cluster proving I’m not protected. Perhaps one other cluster saying I’m unlovable, one other cluster saying I don’t belong, or no matter it’s. Like it may be any number of these. And so if we have now that lay of the land, that may be actually useful for us realizing, okay, this, this, I’m not protected is linked to those panic signs, or this, I’m not lovable, is linked to those attachment type of anxious attachment sort methods, regardless of the case could be.

(20:44)
However then we have now this different wonderful reminiscence community that each one of us have. It’s only for a few of us, it’s, it’s extra properly developed than others. And it’s the adaptive info community. It’s all these experiences of, of, you realize, studying or of being cherished or of being restored ultimately, or having, you realize, a way of belonging as a part of a tradition or a part of a, you realize, a part of a non secular apply or a part of a, of a religious group. These, these finest pals or these, these animals that simply love us it doesn’t matter what. All of that. And I consider these as timber. So so principally there’s, there’s one thing that planted the tree by way of the, these darkish trauma reminiscence networks. There’s an occasion that planted the tree, after which the tree simply grew up and obtained larger with all of these different occasions that obtained clustered collectively.

(21:37)
Properly, this, this mild tree, this adaptive info tree of knowledge additionally has, has a manner by which it was planted. That’s that early attachment system. In order that’s the trunk of that tree. And a few individuals have a spindly trunk, which implies they’re way more prone to the wind blowing after which being taken off stability. After which additionally they can have numerous ranges of levels by which that adaptive info community has been constructed out by all of those different optimistic and experiences of resilience, experiences of success, experiences of overcoming all that jazz, so, so lengthy technique to, to put the inspiration for the reply to your query is principally therapies, I believe do considered one of two issues. One is they assist improve that mild tree of adaptive info. So while you’re studying meditation, while you’re studying how to think about the optimistic, the way to concentrate on what’s true about you, all of that, you’re actually enhancing and specializing in that adaptive info reminiscence community.

(22:45)
And, and so there’s a lot that’s optimistic and highly effective about lots of the therapies on the market that do this. Then there’s one other, form of sort of remedy like cognitive behavioral, the place what it’s doing is it’s, it’s permitting you to problem that activation of that detrimental reminiscence community and saying, yeah, however bear in mind it’s not true. And so that you do this, that handbook shifting by type of logic your self into the sunshine tree. However that’s actually arduous and might really feel like gaslighting actually, while you’re like, however my nervous system says the trauma is what’s true. Not this different logic stuff that I would know in my head.

Betty Rocker (23:28):

That simply is a part of what I suppose I’ve been listening to from individuals generally after they say, you realize, speak remedy or sure kinds of speak remedy, I really feel like I’m simply rehashing these uncomfortable issues again and again with out actually getting wherever. I’m simply spinning my wheels.

Susie Morgan (23:41):

That’s one other sort of remedy. So there may be, there are kinds of remedy the place the concept is that if we have now perception or if we speak sufficient by it, you then’ll get higher. So meaning you sit at nighttime hint, you sit in these trauma reminiscence networks throughout trauma, the, throughout your remedy, and that’s presupposed to theoretically make you’re feeling higher, but it surely doesn’t really essentially do this as a result of all you’re doing is type of dwelling within the darkness. And so individuals are like, properly, I don’t wanna go to my previous. I wanna do these different issues. Properly, that’s nice. Now all you’re doing is manually shifting into the lightness. So what we’re on the lookout for is one thing that really reconsolidate the reminiscence really shifts the, the, the, the educational that’s occurred within the nervous system. And EMDR is just not the one present on the town that may do this. There are different therapies that really might be efficient with reminiscence. Reconsolidation, EMDR remedy is only one the place we do get constant outcomes with that when it’s finished correctly. And in order that’s, yeah.

Betty Rocker (24:42):

That’s, that’s the R and the EMDR, the reprocessing half. Sure. Yeah, that’s the place the mixing occurs. So I’ll share a bit bit, that, you realize, however my listeners don’t. After I first began doing EMDR remedy with Susie, it’s been a number of years now since we did this nice work collectively, and we spent a few years doing it. I bear in mind to start with I used to be like, properly, when are we, when can we get to do the EMDR? Like, when are we gonna get to that half? And what was actually wonderful is her method was so considerate. She was, she went in and discovered the place now I do know the lingo, in fact I didn’t on the time, my clusters, she was on the lookout for the place are the, the networks right here that I have to work with. She deliberately discovered the panorama of this thoughts that she was then going to be going into with like her superb devices and serving to to reprocess.

(25:38)
Proper? So like, that was such an essential a part of that work. I believe that, that for those who don’t learn about it, you, you don’t know what you don’t know, proper? However I believe it’s so essential. And there’ve been, and there have been additionally issues that you simply did to start with that I’ve by no means forgotten. You gave me instruments. I bear in mind a number of the wonderful instruments that you simply gave me to assist me have a way of safety, to have a way of security. After which in fact, the precise apply of EMDR, which is so wonderful. It’s so troublesome to do the work generally, but it surely’s additionally so essential. It’s like, you realize, you guys, like while you do a extremely robust exercise, , such as you gotta put within the work to get the end result. Nevertheless it felt like there was a real consequence coming at the same time as I used to be going by the troublesome features of it.

(26:26)
And it, it, I used to attempt to clarify what it was love to do, to be an a, a affected person going by E-M-D-R, for those who guys have seen the film “Inside Out,” that is like the easiest way that I can clarify it. There’s this place that, that they go what’s, which is just like the reminiscence financial institution, and it’s all of those glowing balls of sunshine that they’ve simply stacked up and stacked up and stacked up. And so I at all times pictured just like the trauma reminiscences as like these like gnarly black balls of sunshine that, that have been like saved within the reminiscence financial institution, that, that have been really infecting all the opposite reminiscences. As a result of that’s what occurs along with your, with the issues which can be what we name maladaptive. Appropriate. Is that proper terminology? Yeah. So the maladaptive reminiscences that didn’t really get processed appropriately to start with, these are like now infecting the remainder of your reminiscences.

(27:14)
And so you’ve got these reactions to issues that you would be able to’t actually management. It’s like bugs in your working system if you would like like a pc terminology for it. And it was like going by doing the work of the EMDR, you’re like altering the material again to one thing easy. We are able to return to that rug instance the place the rug was all bunched up and we’re like smoothing out the rug. And now when one thing comes up that was once an actual set off or one thing that might, you’ll have like this unavoidable response that you simply had no management over, it’s now not there, it’s simply not even a set off. You continue to have the reminiscence of the factor, but it surely’s not lit up anymore. And I believe that was so profound for me of just like the expertise of EMDR, of like how a lot it modified the material of my precise being.

(27:58)
Like I felt like I grew to become just like the model of myself. I used to be at all times meant to be by going by that work. And so it makes lots of sense. This care that’s taken all through the method, particularly to start with, as a result of I’ve had pals inform me – oh why, when – I’ve despatched pals to EMDR and so they’re like why when do I get to do the EMDR? I’m like, let your therapist do these actually essential items in the beginning as a result of they’ll enable you get a greater end in the long run. So I believe it’s fascinating the way it

Susie Morgan (28:32):

Works. There’s so many items that you simply simply stated which can be so essential that I wanna virtually give the again of the home understanding of a bit. Please, please. The, the why. In order that unique query you requested of like, properly, how are you aware for those who’re in the proper place along with your therapist? Yeah. And I believe there’s that bigger query of like, are you doing a remedy that really modifications the way in which the nervous system is holding the reminiscences? And, so that you’re re transforming that entire factor so that you robotically reply in a different way. It’s not that handbook management, however while you’re looking for out an EMDR therapist, whether or not or not they take this, this primary like part of the work actually significantly is a extremely massive part for deciding whether or not or not you’re in the proper place.

Betty Rocker (29:22):

Mm.

Susie Morgan (29:22):

And oftentimes, this isn’t the fault of the therapist, it’s the fault of the way it’s historically been educated the place actually it’s such as you do form of like this, this fast, this fast intro and you then simply bounce into, to processing trauma reminiscences. However that’s the place we have now individuals having actually unhealthy experiences. And the principle motive is as a result of individuals, individuals aren’t essentially prepared for that but. And or the, the therapist doesn’t essentially have the, the readiness of getting a superb therapy plan in place in an effort to know why we’re gonna begin right here and go there and go there. And so after I was doing all of these early, form of items of labor with you, it’s, it’s really there, it’s twofold. One is, I really, I’m, I’m purposefully mapping, I’m purposefully providing you with instruments that matter in your expertise of being within the work, however I’m additionally anticipating very, very key features that point out your mind is prepared to do that, that your nervous system can do sure issues.

(30:28)
And so the whole lot I’m doing has a twin goal. It’s each getting you prepared, constructing that readiness if I have to do extra of one thing, but in addition seeing what’s there and seeing whether or not or not that that extra form of prep work is prepared. After which the opposite piece, and that is, that is simply because I wish to point out it, that piece about that grownup, like strongest wisest self being there for little you, that’s the core key characteristic to attachment restore. It’s creating out that grownup self to present little you what nobody else has been capable of give us absolutely and to attract from the fashions of those that have perhaps in items and issues like that. However in the end, repairing the attachment system is realizing deep down that you simply’ve obtained you and that you simply’ve

Betty Rocker (31:19):

Acquired you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s so Properly, that’s so properly stated. And, and this work is so profound as a result of I believe, our tradition is just not alone in being one which has lots of addictive compulsive sort of points, but it surely definitely has so many, and, and I believe this should be one thing that presents in, in your apply so typically is habit sort of labor. Mm-hmm . Like so many individuals, I imply, we have now habit to buying, to alcohol, to medicine, to intercourse, to, how, I don’t know, so many alternative issues. So I might think about that EMDR is absolutely useful in supporting the discount of addictive conduct. And and the way does it do this particularly? I,

Susie Morgan (32:07):

Properly, probably the most latest form of essential items of form of connecting the dots that’s been made got here by the ACEs research. And I’m unsure for those who or your listeners are aware of it, but it surely’s the antagonistic Childhood Experiences research. And like EMDR, it’s really been round for nearly as a lot time, but it surely didn’t actually get any press till extra just lately. However it’s a very fundamental research that has simply been finished on monumental hoards of individuals at this level. And it’s even, replicated by the, the CDC at this level. So we’re capable of see it’s true throughout populations that early childhood antagonistic experiences, even when they occur simply as soon as, they create a vulnerability within the nervous system to develop psychological well being points, to develop bodily well being points and to develop addictions. And so, and it’s exponentially extra highly effective than anybody would ever suppose.

(33:03)
And so addictions is one thing that we very a lot can see. Early childhood trauma actually potentiates that vulnerability to habit later. And what’s attention-grabbing by way of EMDR remedy and trauma reminiscence networks and all of that’s this concept that habit has actually two elements which can be occurring with reminiscence networks. One is the trauma is a driver, in order that that ache goes to drive you to the factor that eases the ache. The opposite factor although, is the pull of the habit. And you may even have maladaptively linked optimistic reminiscences which can be the, the important thing to the mind persevering with to hunt the excessive or the necessity being met by this addictive conduct or substance, even when there’s tons and tons of penalties, or for those who by no means obtain that top to that diploma. Once more,

Betty Rocker (33:58):

I virtually perceive what you imply by optimistic maladaptive. It’s virtually prefer it, are you able to simply make clear that a bit bit extra? Yeah,

Susie Morgan (34:06):

Yeah, completely. So the instance I discovered from the one who I first discovered this from, was an instance of the, you realize, a a bit, a bit boy who had an abusive father. And his dad was actually, actually into enjoying playing cards, was actually into poker. And and afterward, this man has now’s now presenting in remedy as a result of he has a playing habit. He’s misplaced his home, he’s misplaced his household, he’s misplaced the whole lot. So we’re gonna assume, okay, properly, he discovered about, he discovered about playing from little, in order that’s simply what he grew as much as do, proper? Like, it’s that easy, but it surely’s not, the place it really solidified in his mind was, so bear in mind he has this trauma of neglect and, and abuse from his dad. Properly, someday, you realize, one of many guys isn’t there for the poker recreation. So dad invitations his son to the poker desk that’s the place his mind impulsively felt cherished. His mind impulsively felt seen and included and observed by his dad. And fireworks go off within the mind. And it’s like that soldering of one thing the place it’s identical to, Ooh, poker equals I’m cherished, I’m lovable. And so from then on, doesn’t matter how a lot he loses, doesn’t matter all the results, the mind doesn’t even like take note of any of that knowledge. It’s coming, but it surely doesn’t matter. He retains looking for that must be met on the poker desk at no matter value.

Betty Rocker (35:45):

Acquired it. Acquired it. That’s an excellent instance, proper? That made a lot sense. You possibly can see how addictions can type of so many differing kinds due to the complexity of that layer, these layers collectively. Like that’s, and that should be very arduous to unwind for individuals due to what a robust urge that’s, like at a deep core stage to be cherished, to be belong. These are deep human wants that all of us have, and after they’re not met, after we’re youthful, after which they’ve these layers on prime of them, and we’re simply on the market making an attempt to be grownups, coping with life and all of our many duties and, and repeating previous patterns again and again and never understanding why, as an illustration. So who wants EMDR? Who can be a superb candidate for EMDR, would you say? I imply, we’ve talked about lots of issues, however I believe lots of people listening are figuring out sure issues in what we’re speaking about. So let’s simply make it plain and easy. Like who can be a superb candidate?

Susie Morgan (36:46):

I suppose there’s somebody on the market who wouldn’t, however I haven’t met them. And, I imply, there are these individuals who actually grew up with that actually strong early attachment expertise. Their wants have been met. And, and I’ve seen these shoppers are available as a result of they’d one single actually unhealthy t like massive T trauma, and but their stuff resolves like that. Like that’s the place you see this like magic occur. Prefer it’s, it may be a matter of two classes and one thing horrific, identical to is is absolutely reprocessed by the nervous system

Betty Rocker (37:24):

As a result of they’ve a sturdy and safe attachment fashion and safety in themselves to begin with. Their basis is, is absolutely robust. After which from there, therapeutic is less complicated, I suppose you’ll say, proper?

Susie Morgan (37:37):

Sure. In order that they’re confronted with traumas, they’re confronted with various things, and their mind is like, oh, I’ve obtained this. And it, and it, it, you realize, it takes that, that adaptive info reminiscence community and simply wraps it round and it’s identical to, yep. Like I discovered from that. Now it’s over and off you go. Hmm. So there are individuals on the market who’re like that, they’re simply extra uncommon.

(38:00)
Hmm. The remainder of us , and I say that together with myself, have much more vulnerability to those various things. And so when somebody is saying, you realize, I’ve simply at all times been anxious, or I’ve simply at all times had these bouts of despair, that type of factor, or this self-doubt, this self-confidence concern the place I’m not reaching for that subsequent stage at work, or I’m not stepping out of, you realize, like I, I do know I ought to be capable of do that, however I, however I’m, I’m stopping myself. I’m, I’m insecure, or I’m, you realize, repeating these relationship patterns or that type of factor. Mm-hmm. All of this stuff are issues that make you a superb candidate to step into an EMDR therapist’s workplace. Mm mm Then the distinction is whether or not or not that EMDR therapist has eyes to see the way to deal with you. Have they finished enough coaching in having the ability to actually, actually like, have that curiosity to, to take a look at what, what’s all this related to? The place did this, this studying happen that’s now left you in a sample of, you realize, responding on this manner? What are all these reminiscence networks? And is your mind able to do the precise trauma reminiscence reprocessing, or do we have to do a bunch of fro entrance loading in order that we are able to get there? It’s oftentimes not the case that somebody can’t do EMDR remedy. It simply means somebody may have to do some extra refined issues to get their mind prepared for it.

Betty Rocker (39:30):

You’ve some fairly wonderful assets for individuals at completely different ranges in terms of EMDR. One factor that you’ve is, I bear in mind the EMDR readiness course, which helps individuals like me determine whether or not we’re prepared or how, clarify that for me, for those who don’t thoughts.

Susie Morgan (39:50):

So this course has been round for a lot of years, and it’s really, I might attribute, the triggering of making that course to you really, oh, cease . As a result of someday you sat down with me and also you stated, Susie, I’m referring individuals out to EMDR remedy on a regular basis now, and so they’re not getting, from their remedy course of what I’m getting with you. And at that time, it precipitated me to self-reflect and say, am I really doing one thing in a different way? Hmm. And, and I discovered I used to be, and it wasn’t simply because I’m good, it was often because I used to be actually hungry to be taught and insecure. Really, my very own insecurities have been in there the place I used to be like, I have to be taught extra, I have to be taught extra. I have to be taught extra. So I had, I had gone to so many alternative trainings by so many alternative consultants within the subject, however then my, my energy actually is synthesizing issues collectively, curating and synthesizing these supplies right into a system basically.

(40:48)
And so through the years, there’s been a technique that I’ve developed that began with that course and actually beginning to actually like, form of, conceptualize it and make it extra concrete that’s now developed out into some broader coaching packages that I can clarify. However, however the readiness course remains to be obtainable. It’s one thing that you are able to do by yourself. It’s virtually like a, a digital like workbook. And it takes you thru the readiness course of. So lots of the steps that you simply and I did collectively by way of these, these instruments and people, these expertise that you simply developed in the beginning, beginning to actually map out these trauma reminiscence networks so that you could actually do some work by yourself and resolve does this EMDR remedy factor is smart for me? Hmm. The opposite factor is that may be finished alongside a therapist, of their course of with you.

(41:40)
For lots of people, it’s actually useful to have the assist of a therapist whereas they’re doing these processes. And the primary module of that course says takes you thru some questionnaire that say like, ought to, must you do that alone or not? Hmm. And so it, it might enable you suppose by that course of. The opposite factor that’s now obtainable, that’s additionally on the self-help web page of my web site, which is precisionemdr.com. So for those who go to the self-help web page, you’ll see two various things. One is that readiness course, however one can also be a free 45 minute course that really explains this, this tree idea that we’ve been speaking about. Cool. So that you’re capable of visualize the trauma reminiscence networks, that adaptive info mild tree of knowledge, in order that for those who begin EMDR remedy, you’re stepping into actually understanding that entire formulation of it. And it goes extra into what processing seems to be like, that type of factor and what’s occurring within the mind throughout that. So, so that’s free to only check out, there’s, no strings. Yeah.

Betty Rocker (42:45):

That’s a tremendous present. And what a tremendous useful resource as properly. After which I believe you might be additionally now, such as you’ve stated, you’ve developed your methodology, you’re now coaching different therapists at completely different, completely different ranges from the graduate stage to all the way in which to individuals who’ve been training for a very long time. Is that what you have been telling me? That’s wonderful. What, what does that contain?

Susie Morgan (43:08):

So there’s two main items. One is we have now an EMDRIA accepted fundamental coaching, which they’re the bigwigs. They, they, they take you thru a reasonably rigorous course of while you’re creating a program to say, does it, you realize, test all of the bins. And so we checked all of the bins and what was actually thrilling is, I used to be accepted to have the ability to, to essentially use all of this readiness and the goal sequencing, which is the, the why you do, which, which trauma reminiscence first, that type of factor. In addition to all of those attachment items into our fundamental coaching program. After which we have now additionally a sophisticated a set of programs. So it’s really a complete of 33 hours, half one and half two. However half one really goes by all of this readiness and, and fills within the gaps of what hasn’t been there in lots of that conventional coaching that almost all therapists have gone by. After which half two goes into all of this fancy footwork round how can we restore the attachment system? How can we handle these addictions? And that sparkle that these maladaptively linked reminiscences can have and all of that. So it’s, it’s a extremely strong superior course that individuals can undergo

Betty Rocker (44:20):

A lot to know, so essential to be a well-trained practitioner and for us as individuals looking for remedy to know as a lot as we are able to about this in order that we are able to go into it eyes open, looking for this care. And in addition, you realize, discern being discerning, I suppose, about what we’re gonna obtain. I believe that’s, that’s so essential. Properly, you’ve shared your, web site with us and we are able to additionally observe you on social media, appropriate. Wanna say your, your deal with,

Susie Morgan (44:55):

It’s @PrecisionEMDR. So it’s precisionEMDR all over the place. So whether or not that’s the web site or the deal with on Instagram or Fb, that’s, that’s the place yow will discover me and discover out what we’re doing. ’trigger I, it’s not simply me, however I even have gathered an exceptional workforce of consultants. It’s really one of many distinctive items of our program is everybody who’s a marketing consultant on our coaching workforce is an skilled in EMDR, in addition to oftentimes a specialty space or integration with one other therapy mannequin. So, so we are able to all be discovered there and it’s, it’s actually hopefully going to be an increasing number of a sturdy useful resource for referral sources and all of that for individuals all around the, all around the nation. As a result of we have now people who find themselves going by our trainings who’re from everywhere.

Betty Rocker (45:42):

That’s great and great to consider all the people who find themselves probably looking for EMDR or perhaps didn’t understand how useful EMDR might be for them. And now we’ll have an extra useful resource to return to for details about it, for looking for a practitioner for it, or practitioner looking for extra coaching for it. It’s actually great what you might be creating. And thanks for all of the work that you simply do on this world to make it a greater place. We recognize you a lot. So thanks. Thanks a lot for approaching and speaking to us at this time and sharing all of this actually beneficial info and insights. And thanks for the whole lot you’ve finished for me as properly. Like, I might not be this model of the Betty Rocker with out you and your entire nice work. So all of you guys listening, I’m so glad that you simply had an opportunity to fulfill Susie, ’trigger she’s simply unimaginable and I hope you look her up and lookup her work. And Susie, is there any, like, final phrases, something you wanna depart with us that I didn’t ask or something you wanna say?

Susie Morgan (46:37):

Actually, it’s simply wanting to precise my gratefulness for the chance to return in right here and speak about this and, and the, the, the platform that you’re utilizing throughout the board to assist, particularly girls of their well being on all features of issues. And EMDR is one thing that, such as you stated, it’s a buzzword on the market. Individuals speak about it, however they oftentimes don’t know sufficient about it to know the way it may really hook up with them, the way it may really be, actually perhaps much more powerfully finished if it’s one thing that they’d a, you realize, eh, expertise with earlier than. Issues like that. So I’m simply actually grateful that this was essential to you to do and, and simply thanks for having me.

Betty Rocker (47:22):

Yay. Properly, we look ahead to speaking to you once more very quickly. And, thanks guys a lot for listening. You could find all the hyperlinks and assets over on the present notes web page for this podcast episode, in addition to Susie’s hyperlinks that she’s already shared. So look ahead to speaking to you once more. Until subsequent time, I’m Betty Rocker, and you might be so superior, so flawsome and wonderful.